Sunday 30 August 2009

Agnosticism and Cynicism, an explanation into my Beliefs

Good morning everyone. It's just past 9 o'clock here, on a cloudy Sunday morning. I'm sitting at my dining room table, listening to some music, and I have been watching the old grannies and grandads, walking to the small church that's near my house. So, I thought I would talk about religion for a while.

Firstly, my father and my step-mother are completely 100% theist, (Christian orientated!), and when I was younger, they took me to their church every Sunday, which was an Evangelical church. It was very "happy-clappy", with lots of "Hallelujah!!" and "Praise Jesus!!" and all the rest of it. That didn't really gel with me. Yes, the music is very good music. -- I particularly liked the guitar parts, which were a mix of soft rock and folk.

However, I have been baptised and confirmed a Christian, but in the last few years, as I have learned more of the theoretical side of the major religions, I have come to the conclusion that maybe traditional Christianity does not answer all my questions, and neither does any other single organised religion.

I think that because my father and step-mother threw me in the deep end of organised religion so to speak, as they "found God", I sort of have a bit of a bad experience as I think that I just wasn't ready to live the life that the Pastor preached and that pressure has darkened my view of Christianity somewhat. I've established that this is the root of my cynicism. I certainly look down my nose sometimes at religion, and sometimes it is simply a cold academic subject for me. But that is too harsh. I do believe in something!

I find that all the major religions have elements within them, that I agree with, the morals of Christianity and Buddhism particularly. But then some of Judaism makes sense to me too. Therefore I must declare that whilst I believe in something, nothing within any religion I have come across has answered everything and therefore I cannot call myself a theist, as I cannot say that I intrinsically believe in a singe god. Well, that rules out any monotheist based religions -- Christianity, Judaism, Islam. But similarly I cannot comprehend the Hindu faith with its hundreds of Gods, a Polytheist religion.

But at the same time, I don't believe that there is simply a void, a nothingness within the celestial planes. Therefore I cannot call myself an atheist, as I do believe in something. If I cannot call myself either a Theist or an Atheist then I must be an agnostic.

(quick little note -- The "a" prefix before a word, making it negative, is of Greek origin. Where an alpha was used as a negative. Therefore Agnosticism, is simply a-gnosticism, and gnosticism derives from the Greek verb gignosko meaning to know, realise or understand. So Agnosticism is simply un-knowing or un-understanding.)

Now, we have established, that I am in fact an Agnostic. I would like to define what sort of agnostic I am. Through research I have established that I am an Apathetic, or Pragmatic Agnostic. This is because as I said, the religions I have studied have not answered my questions, and like many before me, my questions focus on the bad things in the world. Suffering, how can a God allow these things to happen. The arguments, arguing either to prove an existence of God or disprove it, seem to focus around this point. Suffering.

Holocaust theology has shown me many arguments for disproving the existence of God, but it is has also thrown up some theories that seem entirely plausible, such as free will. I won't go into to too much detail, if you wish to read further, here is a link:



In conclusion, the beliefs that I hold, cannot be categorised into a single faith. I suppose in a way my mind holds a strange amalgamation of beliefs. So, maybe I will have to post a post that tries to explains what I am trying to explain here!!

I really hope that some of this made sense....I am trying to put into words, something that I believe in, I find it difficult to express all that I want to express without writing thousands and thousands of words. If you have any questions, I shall answer them, but basically this entire post was to establish that I am not really sure what is out there, but if we are indeed modelled on it, then its temperament will probably not be the all loving God of Christianity, but its moods will be like that of the sea, ever changing sometimes calm, yet sometimes vicious and treacherous.

So. Yeah.

Joey xx

14 comments:

  1. Yes I just about got the main idea of this post, I think, so don't worry. For being almost the same age you write astoundingly well. And I would have to say you have very good reasoning.

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  2. I thought that the act of believing in "god" intrinsically also meant belief in the "devil"
    So this explains the "evil" in the world.

    No god, no devil and I'm not scared of the dark, seems like a good deal to me.

    All religions are based on mans need to know the hows, whys and wherefores of the world.
    But now we know so much more than any of our ancestors and of course the vested interest that is organised religion is scared it's going to lose it's power base.The Abrahamic tradition in the west has had the ascendancy for 2000 years and look where it has got us.
    Live your life according to the teachings of Christ and you will be a good man, but please don't expect to spend eternity in "heaven ".

    The easy way to upset the happy-clappers is to mention dinosaurs. I think anybody who believes that the bible is the unadulterated word of god should be removed from the gene pool immediately.
    If the human race is the apotheosis of evolution than we are in trouble. I believe that the closer you get to galactic central point the higher the level of civilisation will be.

    We, humanity are at a tipping point. If we can get through the next few decades without destroying each other than perhaps we can head for the stars.I hope you and my children live to see it.

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  3. Hi. I would just like to add to your post that all organised religion is crap and false. There is indeed a God, but not as we arew told to beleive he is. There, I even made the mistake that he is a HE! God, as a label, is a living energy of love and the one they talk about in the bible has to come to the planet Zog (sorry for the poor science fiction label), as he only carries hate and revenge with him, as most other organised religionists do. We do indeed survive the physical death but it is part of ourselves to go through our experiences in life to find and experience suffering etc, so that we become better people and can help others.
    This is such a simple explanatiomn and I dont really want to push you into any belief system, but I will make one exception, and that is to ask you to reject the religious beleifs that man has made and take your time with an open mind to find your inner self first. Take care and please feel free to reject what I have said as it changes the truth, not a jot (ass Billy Connelly would say.
    Brian. Belfast.

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  4. I will always defend the right of anyone to believe in God just as strongly as I will for ever deny the right of man to subvert those beliefs into any man-made religion.

    Absolutely right to look at when religions started. What changed suddenly to make Christ be born at what we call -4BC? Where was Christianity before that? Where was the church of this or that in the US (created in 195X - 200X)? Why in the US can anyone create a religion? Why do others apparently subscribe to or believe in it?

    How could Ian Paisley in Northern Ireland buy a doctorate of religion in the US and then forever after be known as Rev Dr Ian Paisley and wear a dog collar? I know why he did it - to ferment the troubles - the man wanted the Pope and all catholics dead. His own religion - certainly NOT the teaching of any version of Christ that I've ever heard!

    You are right Joe, much more than you might be wrong.

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  5. You'll never find a religion that answers "all" your questions. you'll never find anything that answers "all". Just not how life seems to work. And that makes sense to me. Life is mysterious.

    Having said that, I understand better what you don't believe, but am quite in the dark with what you do believe. Of course, there are so many options you didn't even mention -- Taoism and Unitarianism come immediately to mind.

    P.S. Hinduism is too complex to simply call it polytheistic. There are elements that are monotheistic (Brahman), elements that are polytheistic (the millions of gods or "incarnations"), elements that are pantheistic (all is God - Atman), and elements that are panentheistic (god is IN all).
    P.P.S. You might find Huston Smith's book "The World's Religions" to be helpful.

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  6. Mickey. Just a small thing, but did you use the piasley rant because you saw I was from Belfast? From all the places in all the world you use that as a point? I cant stand the man either, but stones can be thrown at everyone dont you think? The point was religion in general. Northern Ireland politics should stay tightly squeezed into the hate box eh?

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  7. Joe

    hey religion has a purpose and well they all teach morals well but i would prefer to believe in a god that does allow us free will

    I thik if any message from the bible or tora or even the karan is true is that you should treat people like you wanted to be treated. If a god exists and i wish to believe one does he doesvt need organized religions they only seem to profit them selves

    but god i believes lets us kill ourselves our deal withthe consequences of those actions that seems more practical to me

    take care and be safe

    bob

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  8. hey cvn70!
    Get a grip on yourself. Religion? Christian I take it? Gay?
    You are LOST in ignorance through a book of total fiction.
    Love, yes, believe in a God of love and love others yourself, but please dont take what a book says as truth. You are obviously way too old to see the reality of who we are and what we are here for.

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  9. Religion ... talking about it on the free interwebs? Ha ha - *shudders* - next thing you will be suggesting that some men fancy other men, and that the lunar landing took place in downtown Burbank!

    Have a wonderful day. G =]

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  10. You gave a very good explanation of your current beliefs.

    I agree with aron that it may be too much to ask any religion to explain everything.

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  11. everything beautiful in the world is made by God,
    all the suffering in the world is man-made.
    Think about it, wars, poverty, genocide, all made by man.
    We were put on this earth, and we were given choices, some choose to do good, some choose to do bad, there is very much free will, and all the suffering in the world is because of bad choices made by MAN.

    This is why there is heaven and hell. There has to be a sort of 'ultimate justice'. In your lifetime you can be accused of murder, and be spend the rest of your life in jail, even if you really were not responsible for that murder. How is that fair?

    On the other hand, you could be a thief and a rapist, and go your whole life without ever being caught, and you've ignored your conscious so much that you don't even have one any more, so you are happy and die happy, yet hundreds have suffered at your hands. How is that fair either?

    IT ISN'T.. that's why there MUST BE some form of final and eternal justice. Very preachy i know, bring on the hate i guess.. but to be honest i would go mad if i didn't believe that there is higher authority, higher than that of man (who is flawed).

    I hope you all find peace with whatever explanation you adopt :)

    Chris

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  12. Chris Bright's comment drew my attention back to this post, and I want to add this to what I said earlier. The reason I think we can't expect any religion to answer everything is that we aren't God. Our intellects are finite and our knowledge and understanding are necessarily limited and partial. So even a religion whose teachings contain no errors cannot fully answer every question.

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  13. ^ naturgesetz,
    i sortof agree with you, but i lean more towards the religion having the answers, yet BECAUSE our intellect is limited, we are not able to SEE the answers within what is being provided (i.e. falling into the trap of always taking the most literal meaning of texts..stuff like that)

    but yeah, good point :)

    chris

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  14. Who ever said life was fair ?

    Or that it should be ?

    There is no man in the sky to look after you !

    There is no fairy godmother !

    Why should there be ?

    You live, you die, you leave behind foot prints in the sand of time.

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